glock 30s vs sf

Glock 30s Vs Sf - Considering 30S or 30SF. If I understand correctly, the S has a smaller slide and the SF has a smaller frame. The size of the pens is 30? Which model conceals better for IWB? Thanks in advance!

If you plan to keep it in stock, the 30S will do just fine. If you want to modify your pistol to shoot a different caliber, you will need to choose the 30SF.

Glock 30s Vs Sf

The G30S is a Gen3 G30SF (10+1) receiver (version after June 2012) with a thinner, lighter bolt and barrel, originally designed for the G36 45ACP single barrel pistol. The G30S bolt, designed for the smaller OD (thinner wall) G36 barrel, will not fit the stock G30 or G30SF 45ACP pistol barrel.

Glock 30 Sf Modification With Glock 36 Laserguard

The G30SF receiver (short frame) of the G30S differs slightly from the stock Gen3 G30 receiver in that the trigger distance of the SF grip is ~2-3mm shorter when measured from the backstrap to the trigger.

The width of the G30S slide (1.003" ± 0.002") is 1/8" less than that of the G30/30SF (1.126" ± 0.002"). However, the grip width of the G30S is measured at its widest point 1/4 inch below the magnet, the same as the other G30 models (32.50mm or 1.28 inches). Therefore, only a slight improvement in concealment should be expected.

The G30S weighs 3.5 ounces. Smaller than the G30 Gen4, 11% smaller with a full 10-mag. Many appreciate the increased comfort of the G30S pistol when carrying it for long periods of time due to the reduced weight. The overall weight and height of the pistol (handle+mag) can be further reduced for easier concealment with the optional factory 9-gauge magazine available for the pistol. By comparison, the G30S 9-mag grip height is 0.6 inches shorter than the G19 9mm pistol height.

The rest of my evaluation of a more detailed comparison of these two pistol models can be found in GT's post here >>> New Glock 30S Pros and Cons

What Makes The Glock 30sf Special (or Why You Might Hate It)

Very detailed information from previous commenters. I bought the 30s a few years ago and have never once regretted my decision. This is my first choice for a layoff year.

The only suggestion I have is to check the GATE Self Defense forum for information on the Mas'in .45 ACP ammo.

GRT45 said: ... The rest of my evaluation of a more detailed comparison of these two pistol models can be found in GT's post here >>> New Glock 30S Pros and Cons Click to expand... GRT45, thanks for putting this all together. great info over the years on this topic G30!! This is a really great resource!

I've had 30 on my wish list for several years and plan to one day. However, the 30 gen4 will take a 10mm barrel, so it's on my list. It remains to be seen which of them remains first. Whatever you choose, it will definitely be a good choice.

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The G30SF G30S frame uses many of the Gen4 G30's internals. Externally, it is identical to the Gen4 G30 minus the backstrap, Gen4 grip, larger magazine catch, and right mount.

The G36 G30S slide is lighter and less bulky because it is designed for 45ACP. It's not a minimally modified 10mm slide like the G30SF. No Gen4 45ACP pistol other than the G41 uses a slide designed specifically for the size and weight of the 45ACP. The caliber-optimized bolt design makes the G36, G30S, and G41 the most attractive Glock 45ACP pistols, IMO.

Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. It can also be found on this forum.

Intolerant said: Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. It can also be found on this forum. Click to expand... Then get started!

Glock's Pocket Cannon: Meet The Glock 30 Handgun (it's Fierce)

M7425 said: That concludes today's lesson. Very detailed information from previous commenters. I bought the 30s a few years ago and have never once regretted my decision. This is my first choice for a layoff year. The only suggestion I have is to check the GATE Self Defense forum for information on the Mas'in .45 ACP ammo. Click to expand... Intolerant said: Let's also discuss the G30S issues. It can also be found on this forum. Click to expand... Apparently there were issues with some of the SF frames, be it G30s or G30SF.

The G30 is the largest Glock I have ever tried to carry IWB. A regular G30 is like wearing a 2x4 on your belt. I think if you are comparing a 180 grain to a 40 or a 185 grain to a 45 I would prefer the G27 which is much smaller, less bulky and has similar ballistics.

I copied this image from another post in this thread to show a size comparison between the G26 (same size as the G27) and the G30s. And without the extended base plate, the G26 or G 27 would be much more inconspicuous.

Borg Warner said: ... without the extended base plate, the G26 or G 27 would be much more inconspicuous. Click to expand... Here's a side by side, including the G26 and G30S, each with a flat base magazine.

Glock 30s, Semi Automatic, .45 Acp, 3.77\

I like shooting the G36, I had a 30sf, I didn't like the weight and size. But if you don't mind the weight and size of the 30s, this is your best bet. looking at it anyway, the 36/30 family is much nicer to shoot than my shorty S&W 38.

Mike-M said: Then get started! Click to expand... Click the search option on this forum and check it out for yourself. So much to read about.

It's been 3 years since I turned 30. I've done 2500 rounds without a single failure or stoppage. I never had a BTF with him. I still sometimes wear it in the CrossBreed Supertuck. I personally prefer the 26/27 over the EDC.

I also have a 2014 gen4 30. I need to take more pictures of it than I do. I'm almost embarrassed to admit that it only has 200 rounds in it. It just sits in the safe. Dad changed it to 36. He liked that the smaller 36 was better to carry with him. Both the 30 and the 30 are great guns and I would not hesitate to get another if the desire arose.

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I personally have never had a hiccup with the 30s, 30sf, or 36 and have shot all three now.

As I have said in other threads; I gave (2) to my (3) grandchildren and left (1). Competed since the 30's at 25 yards and could hold a bull 4 inches. Grandsons 4 inch bull at 15 yards.

I had 20k rounds in 30 years before racing this rig, never had a problem.

Like I said before, I didn't know others had problems with the frames, I must have missed the negative review from 2013.

Glock 30 Gen4 45acp 10rd 3 Mags

Some of the 30S work well, some don't. I'm not the only one having problems with the 30S (even on this forum). What I want to know is why the 30S never made it out of the Glock range if it was such a popular gun model. Why didn't we see this in Gen4 let alone Gen5. My guess is that they know about the problems with the 30S and will never release it in the Gen4 series...kill it if you want. But time will tell and I'm tired of waiting for them to release a new 30S beyond what they currently offer. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're claiming it as yours, never mind, great, I'm happy for you. I'm moving away from the 30S platform myself and won't look back until Glock has a redheaded stepson full of problems.

Intolerance said: some 30s work well, some don't. I'm not the only one having problems with the 30S (even on this forum). What I want to know is why the 30S never made it out of the Glock range if it was such a popular gun model. Why didn't we see this in Gen4 let alone Gen5. My guess is that they know about the problems with the 30S and will never release it in the Gen4 series...kill it if you want. But time will tell and I'm tired of waiting for them to release a new 30S beyond what they currently offer. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you can claim it as your own

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glock 30s vs glock 30

Glock 30s Vs Glock 30 - Consider the 30S or 30SF. If I understand correctly, the S has a shorter slide and the SF has a shorter frame. Are the handles the same as the size 30? What is the best concealment model for IWB? Thanks in advance!

If you plan to keep it stock, the 30S is better. If you are interested in modifying your pistol to shoot other calibers, you should choose the 30SF.

Glock 30s Vs Glock 30

The G30S is a Gen3 G30SF (10+1) receiver (version after June 2012) with a thinner, lighter bolt and barrel originally designed for the G36 45ACP single-stack pistol. The G30S bolt, designed for the smaller OD (thin wall) G36 barrel, will not fit the factory G30 or G30SF 45ACP pistol barrel.

Glock 30 Gen 4

The G30SF (Short Frame) G30S receiver differs slightly from the standard Gen3 G30 receiver in that the trigger radius of the SF grip is ~2-3mm shorter.

The width of the G30S slide (1.003" ± 0.002") is 1/8" less than that of the G30/30SF (1.126" ± 0.002"). However, the width of the G30S grip, measured at its widest point 1/4 inch below the magnet release, is the same as the other G30 models (32.50mm or 1.28 inches). Therefore, only a slight improvement in concealment should be expected.

The G30S weighs 3.5 ounces. Smaller than the G30 Gen4, which is 11% shorter overall with a full 10-mag. Many appreciate the increased comfort of the G30S pistol during long-term storage due to its light weight. The overall weight and height of the pistol (grip+magnet) can be further reduced for easy concealment with the optional 9rd factory magazine available for the pistol. By comparison, the height of the G30S grip + mag with a 9 magazine is 0.6 inches less than the height of the G19 9mm pistol.

The rest of my evaluation of a more detailed comparison of these two pistol models can be found in GT's post here >>> New Glock 30S Pros and Cons

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Very comprehensive information from those previous comments. I bought the 30s a few years ago and have never regretted the decision. It's pretty much my first choice for a year off work.

The only suggestion I have is to check out the GATE Self Defense forum for Moss on .45 ACP ammo.

GRT45 said: ... The rest of my evaluation of a more detailed comparison of these two pistol models can be found here on GT's post >>> New Glock 30S Pros and Cons Click to expand... GRT45, thanks for compiling all this great data over many years in this G30 thread!! This is a really great resource!

I've had a 30 on my wish list for a few years and plan to get one one day. However, the 30 gen4 accepts a 10mm conversion barrel and is therefore on my list. What should be seen first. Whatever you choose, it's a great choice.

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The G30SF G30S frame uses most of the Gen4 G30 internals. Externally, it is similar to the Gen4 G30 without the backstrap, the Gen4 grip design, and the larger magazine catch and right-side mounting capability.

The G36 G30S slide is lighter and less bulky because it is designed for 45ACP. It's not just a minimally modified 10mm slide like the G30SF. Every Gen4 45ACP pistol except the G41 uses a bolt designed specifically for size and weight for the 45ACP. The caliber optimized bolt design makes the G36, G30S and G41 the most attractive Glock 45ACP pistols IMO.

Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. Which can also be found on this forum.

Intolerance said: Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. Which can also be found on this forum. Click to expand... Then get started!

Glock 30s 45 Auto Not A 30 Rail 3 Mags

M7425 said: That concludes today's lesson. Very comprehensive information from those previous comments. I bought the 30s a few years ago and have never regretted the decision. It's pretty much my first choice for a year off work. The only suggestion I have is to check out the GATE Self Defense forum for Moss on .45 ACP ammo. Click to expand... Intolerance said: Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. Which can also be found on this forum. Click to expand... There were issues with some SF, G30 or G30SF frames.

The G30 is the largest Glock I have tried to carry. A regular G30 carries a 2x4 inside the thigh. When comparing the 180 grain 40 to the 185 grain 45, I find the G27 to be much smaller, less bulky, and have similar ballistics.

I copied this image from another post in this thread to show a size comparison between the G26 (the same size as the G27) and the G30s. And without the extended base plate, the G26 or G 27 can hide more.

Borg Warner said: ... the G26 or G 27 would be more stealthy without the extended base plate. Click to expand... Here's a side-by-side, including the G26 and G30S, each with a flat magazine.

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I enjoy shooting my G36, had a 30sf, didn't like the weight and bulk. But if you don't mind the bulk and weight, the 30s are definitely your best bet. Regardless, the 36/30 family is much more fun to shoot than my short S&W 38.

Mike-M said: Then get started! Click to expand... Click the search option on this forum and check it out for yourself. A lot to read about it.

3 years into my 30. I've put 2500 rounds through it without a single failure or stoppage of any kind. I had no BTF with him. I still sometimes wear it in a mix supertak. I personally prefer the 26/27 EDC.

I have a gen4 30 made in 2014. You need to shoot more than I do. I'm almost embarrassed to admit it only has 200 rounds through it. It sits securely. I traded the 36 to my dad. He liked to wear a smaller 36. Both the 30 and the 30 are great guns and I wouldn't hesitate to get another if the need arose.

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I personally have not had any issues with the 30s, 30sf or 36 and now own and shoot all three.

As I have said in other threads; I give (2) to grandchildren (3) and leave (1). Raced from 30 to 25 yards and can hold a 4 inch bull. Grandson 4 inch bull at 15 yards.

My saved 30s have a few 2k rounds before I'm competitive enough with this rig, which I've never had a problem with.

Like I said before, I didn't know others were having issues with the frames, I must have missed a negative comment from 2013.

S Vs 30sf

Some of the 30S are good, some are not. I'm not the only person (even on this forum) who only had issues with the 30S. What I want to know is if the 30S is a popular gun model like the one in the Glock, why didn't it go forward? Why didn't we see this in Gen4 let alone see it in Gen5. I guess they know they have problems with the 30S and will never bring it out in the Gen4 series... tone it down if you will. But time will tell and I'm tired of them releasing a new 30S other than offering it right now. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you claim to be the holy grail, never hiccups, great, I'm happy for you. I myself will go off the 30S platform and never look back until the Glock is a redheaded stepchild full of problems.

Intolerance said: some of the 30s are good, some are not. I'm not the only person (even on this forum) who only had issues with the 30S. What I want to know is if the 30S is a popular gun model like the one in the Glock, why didn't it go forward? Why didn't we see this in Gen4 let alone see it in Gen5. I guess they know they have problems with the 30S and will never bring it out in the Gen4 series... tone it down if you will. But time will tell and I'm tired of them releasing a new 30S other than offering it right now. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to get yours

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glock 30s vs glock 30sf

Glock 30s Vs Glock 30sf - Considering the 30S or 30SF. If I understand correctly, the S has a shorter slide and the SF has a shorter frame. Are gripes equal to 30? Which model is the best cover for IWB? thanks in advance!

If you want to leave it stock, the 30S is better. If you want to modify your pistol to shoot other calibers, you should go with the 30SF.

Glock 30s Vs Glock 30sf

The G30S is a Gen3 G30SF (10+1) receiver (version after June, 2012) with a thinner, lighter slide and barrel designed for the G36 single-stack 45ACP pistol. The G30S slide is designed for the smaller outside diameter (thin wall) of the G36 barrel, which the factory barrels from the G30 or G30SF 45ACP pistols cannot accommodate.

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The G30S's G30SF (short frame) receiver differs slightly from the standard Gen3 G30 receiver in that the trigger reach distance of the SF grip is ~2-3mm from the measuring backplate to the trigger.

The G30S slide width (1.003" ± 0.002") is 1/8 inch shorter than the G30/30SF slide (1.126" ± 0.002"). However, the G30S grip width, measured at the largest point 1/4" below the mag release, is the same as all other G30 models (32.50 mm or 1.28"). Therefore, only a slight improvement in concealment should be expected.

The G30S weighs 3.5 oz. Less than the G30 Gen4, it's 11% less overall with a full 10-nd mag. Many will appreciate the improved comfort of the G30S pistol when concealed for long periods of time due to the light weight. The pistol can more easily conceal the pistol's overall weight and height (grip + mag) with the available 9-nd flush fit factory mag. For comparison, the grip + mag height of the G30S is 0.6 inches less than the height of the G19 9mm pistol with a 9-nd mag.

The rest of my review comparing these two pistol models can be found in more detail in the GT post here >>> The New Glock 30S - Pros and Cons

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Very comprehensive information that he commented earlier. I bought the 30s a few years ago and don't regret the decision. It is my first choice for year-round duty.

My only suggestion would be to check out the Get Self Defense Forum for mass insight on .45 ACP carry ammo.

GRT45 said: ... The rest of my analysis comparing these two pistol models in more detail can be found in a GT post here >>> The New Glock 30S - Pros and Cons Click to expand... GRT45, to sum it all up Thanks for years of great data on the G30 thread!! This is a great resource!

I have had the 30's on my wish list for a few years and plan to get one one day. However, the 30 Gen 4 will accept a 10mm interchangeable barrel and that's why it's on my list. Which comes first remains to be seen. Whatever you choose will definitely be a good choice.

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The G30S's G30SF frame uses most of the Gen4 G30's internals. It is externally identical to the Gen4 G30 with no recoil, Gen4 grip texture, larger magazine catch and its right-side installation option.

The G36 slide is lighter and shorter than the G30S because it is designed for 45ACP. It's not just a modified 10mm slide like on the G30SF. Unlike the G41, the Gen4 45ACP pistol uses a slide designed specifically for 45ACP in size and weight. The slide-capable design makes the G36, G30S, and G41 Glock's most attractive 45ACP pistols, IMO.

Let's also discuss the issues with the G30S. Anyone can find it in this forum.

Intolerance said: Let's discuss the issues with the G30S. Anyone can find it in this forum. Click to expand... Then get started!

Shooting Review: The Glock 30s

M7425 said: This concludes today's lesson. Very comprehensive information that he commented earlier. I bought the 30s a few years ago and don't regret the decision. It is my first choice for year-round duty. My only suggestion would be to check out the Get Self Defense Forum for mass insight on .45 ACP carry ammo. Click to expand... Intolerance said: Let's discuss the issues with the G30S. Anyone can find it in this forum. Click to expand... Some SF frames have problems with G30s or G30SF.

The G30s are about the largest Glock I've tried carrying IWB. Like carrying a 2x4 inside the normal G30 waist. I think I actually carry a G27 which is much shorter, shorter and has the same ballistics if you compare the 180 grain 40 to the 185 grain 45.

I copied this image from another post in this thread to show a size comparison between the G26 (same size as the G27) and a G30s. The G26 or G 27 can be hidden further without the extended base plate.

Borg Warner said: ... the G26 or G 27 is more concealable without the extended baseplate. Click to expand... Here's a side by side with the G26 and G30S with flat based magazines.

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I love shooting my G36, had a 30sf and didn't like the weight and bulk. But if you don't care about bulk and weight, the 30s are without a doubt, your best option. However I see, the 36/30 family is great for shooting from my S&W Stubby 38.

Mike-M said: So start! Click to expand... Check it out for yourself by pressing the search option on this forum. A lot to read about it.

I am now 30 years old. I put 2500 rounds through it without a single failure or a hitch of any kind. Never had a BTF with it. I still sometimes cross breed in Supertuck. Personally I prefer the 26/27 over the EDC.

I also have a gen 4 30 made in 2014. I should shoot more. I'm embarrassed to admit it only has 200 rounds through it. It sits safely. I traded my dad's 36 for it. He prefers to carry the small 36. 30 and 30 are both great guns and I wouldn't hesitate to get one if the desire arose.

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Personally, I don't have a crack at 30, 30, or 36, and I currently own and shoot all three.

As I have said in other threads; I have given (3) and (1) (2) grandchildren. A 4" ball can hold as it is contested from 30 to 25 yards. Potty 4" bull at 15 yards.

I have some 2k rounds in my 30's of retention before encountering this platform and have never had a problem.

As I said before I was not aware that others had problems with their frames, apparently I missed the negative comments from 2013.

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Some do well in their 30s, some don't. I'm not the only one (even on this forum) who has had nothing but trouble with the 30S. What I want to know is, if the 30S is such a popular gun model, why hasn't it gone further than the Glock internally? Why didn't we see it in Gen4, let's not forget that we saw it in Gen5. I guess they know they have issues with the 30S and will never make it into the Gen4 series... scrap it if you will. But time will tell, I'm tired of waiting for them to come out with a new 30S other than what they are offering now. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm happy to claim that yours is the holy grail, no holds barred, awesome, I'm happy for you. I myself will walk away from the 30S platform and not look back until Gluck has one that isn't a red-headed stepmother full of problems.

Tolerance said: Some are older than 30 years, some are not. I'm not the only one (even on this forum) who has had nothing but trouble with the 30S. What I want to know is, if the 30S is such a popular gun model, why hasn't it gone further than the Glock internally? Why didn't we see it in Gen4, let's not forget that we saw it in Gen5. I guess they know they have issues with the 30S and will never make it into the Gen4 series... scrap it if you will. But time will tell, I'm tired of waiting for them to come out with a new 30S other than what they are offering now. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm happy to claim you

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